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		<title>Comment on How I Make Coffee by Hans</title>
		<link>http://plip.com/blog/how-i-make-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-3417</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool beans!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Ashley&#039;s Law vs Moore&#039;s Law by wangston</title>
		<link>http://plip.com/blog/ashleys-law-vs-moores-law/comment-page-1/#comment-3163</link>
		<dc:creator>wangston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 23:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s why you need to invent an internet alias to name your laws after :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#039;s why you need to invent an internet alias to name your laws after :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on More water, more spider webs by Summer</title>
		<link>http://plip.com/blog/more-water-more-spider-webs/comment-page-1/#comment-3158</link>
		<dc:creator>Summer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 00:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>plip, plop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>plip, plop.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Meego 1.2, Meego Laptop and a MacBook Air by Meego laptop owner</title>
		<link>http://plip.com/blog/meego-1-2-meego-laptop-and-a-macbook-air/comment-page-1/#comment-3156</link>
		<dc:creator>Meego laptop owner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right about iPad. It is a great tablet but it is chiefly a media consumption device and not something to produce content on. 

Meego revolves around social networking for the most part, but you can run Office apps like openoffice on it. You can basically install any RPM package on it, which makes it pretty powerful. 

BTW, I had a chance to play Vaio X and boy it was a cool laptop. Too bad, they equipped it with an Atom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right about iPad. It is a great tablet but it is chiefly a media consumption device and not something to produce content on. </p>
<p>Meego revolves around social networking for the most part, but you can run Office apps like openoffice on it. You can basically install any RPM package on it, which makes it pretty powerful. </p>
<p>BTW, I had a chance to play Vaio X and boy it was a cool laptop. Too bad, they equipped it with an Atom.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bees by AAAAAAAAAAAAAH</title>
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		<dc:creator>AAAAAAAAAAAAAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 05:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AAAAAAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Why should I cut up my credit card? by Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2011 03:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are also some systems that process credit cards in batches. I think some Airlines that take credit cards, but don&#039;t have access to verify them in the air do it when they land. So if you had a card you could use it at those type of places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are also some systems that process credit cards in batches. I think some Airlines that take credit cards, but don&#039;t have access to verify them in the air do it when they land. So if you had a card you could use it at those type of places.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why should I cut up my credit card? by firebus</title>
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		<dc:creator>firebus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 04:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha. Okay, so that&#039;s an example of a shenanigan that could be done with the physical card if it&#039;s not shredded.

You are the second google hit for &quot;why should i cut up my canceled credit card&quot; :)

But I also found this:

http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/credit-card-tips-on-closing-accounts-1267.php
&quot;It is important to cut up closed credit card accounts by cutting through the account number. This prevents someone else from stealing your credit card and reopening the account.&quot;

So there&#039;s another prospective shenanigan. I guess if they get enough information about you they could call customer service and try to reopen the account. I think that&#039;s probably unlikely in the case of fraud, but maybe possible if you canceled an account for other reasons.

I&#039;d also like to note that cutting through the numbers is a bad idea - it&#039;s possible to guess numbers if you only have half, so cutting through the numbers makes it easier to reconstruct the card number, not harder.

I think I agree with you that there&#039;s no logical reason to cut up the card if the account is closed for fraud. However, I don&#039;t think I could feel right about throwing it in the trash whole. It&#039;s a superstitious feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha. Okay, so that&#039;s an example of a shenanigan that could be done with the physical card if it&#039;s not shredded.</p>
<p>You are the second google hit for &#034;why should i cut up my canceled credit card&#034; :)</p>
<p>But I also found this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/credit-card-tips-on-closing-accounts-1267.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/credit-card-tips-on-closing-accounts-1267.php</a><br />
&#034;It is important to cut up closed credit card accounts by cutting through the account number. This prevents someone else from stealing your credit card and reopening the account.&#034;</p>
<p>So there&#039;s another prospective shenanigan. I guess if they get enough information about you they could call customer service and try to reopen the account. I think that&#039;s probably unlikely in the case of fraud, but maybe possible if you canceled an account for other reasons.</p>
<p>I&#039;d also like to note that cutting through the numbers is a bad idea &#8211; it&#039;s possible to guess numbers if you only have half, so cutting through the numbers makes it easier to reconstruct the card number, not harder.</p>
<p>I think I agree with you that there&#039;s no logical reason to cut up the card if the account is closed for fraud. However, I don&#039;t think I could feel right about throwing it in the trash whole. It&#039;s a superstitious feeling.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why should I cut up my credit card? by mrjones</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrjones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 03:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All good points!  I think in my initial scenario wasn&#039;t as well thought out as I&#039;d thought it was to match my &quot;why shred&quot; question.  It shoulda been something like:

1. Attacker Foo steals your card number, not the card.
2. You notice fraudulent charges, cancel your card, throwing away you&#039;re card and don&#039;t cut it up
3. Attacker Bar, unrelated to Foo, digs through your trash finds uncut card AND that you have a recurring charge with vendor, say t-mobile.
4. Attacker Bar takes your card and buys gift cards at t-mobile which goes through the same grace period accepted charge route, despite card being canceled.
5. Profit!

Still a bit far fetched.  I think Bar in this cause could do a lot more damage by, say, opening your mail with your credit card statements.  Much easier and less stinky than digging through your trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All good points!  I think in my initial scenario wasn&#039;t as well thought out as I&#039;d thought it was to match my &#034;why shred&#034; question.  It shoulda been something like:</p>
<p>1. Attacker Foo steals your card number, not the card.<br />
2. You notice fraudulent charges, cancel your card, throwing away you&#039;re card and don&#039;t cut it up<br />
3. Attacker Bar, unrelated to Foo, digs through your trash finds uncut card AND that you have a recurring charge with vendor, say t-mobile.<br />
4. Attacker Bar takes your card and buys gift cards at t-mobile which goes through the same grace period accepted charge route, despite card being canceled.<br />
5. Profit!</p>
<p>Still a bit far fetched.  I think Bar in this cause could do a lot more damage by, say, opening your mail with your credit card statements.  Much easier and less stinky than digging through your trash.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why should I cut up my credit card? by firebus</title>
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		<dc:creator>firebus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, sorry, there&#039;s some semantic hassle going on with the phrase &quot;steal your card&quot;.

If the attacker only stole your card number, then there&#039;s nothing that shredding your physical card will do to prevent them from doing more stuff with the stolen number (assuming there&#039;s anything they can do with the stolen number)

If the attacker stole your physical card, then there&#039;s nothing for you to cut up.

It&#039;s possible that there are some shenanigans that could be done with a physical card even after it&#039;s been canceled that can&#039;t be done with just the card number, but 
* I don&#039;t think we&#039;ve seen any evidence/description of such potential shenanigans
* In some cases, a physical card can be created from a stolen card number (maybe CCV is also required here)

I don&#039;t see how the grace period shenanigan described above is relevant to the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, sorry, there&#039;s some semantic hassle going on with the phrase &#034;steal your card&#034;.</p>
<p>If the attacker only stole your card number, then there&#039;s nothing that shredding your physical card will do to prevent them from doing more stuff with the stolen number (assuming there&#039;s anything they can do with the stolen number)</p>
<p>If the attacker stole your physical card, then there&#039;s nothing for you to cut up.</p>
<p>It&#039;s possible that there are some shenanigans that could be done with a physical card even after it&#039;s been canceled that can&#039;t be done with just the card number, but<br />
* I don&#039;t think we&#039;ve seen any evidence/description of such potential shenanigans<br />
* In some cases, a physical card can be created from a stolen card number (maybe CCV is also required here)</p>
<p>I don&#039;t see how the grace period shenanigan described above is relevant to the discussion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why should I cut up my credit card? by firebus</title>
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		<dc:creator>firebus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but that is orthogonal to the shredding of your card. The attacker already has the card, so shredding it doesn&#039;t magically take it away from them.

Does the attacker need to have a physical card in order the buy the gift cards in this scenario?

Can&#039;t the attacker create a physical card since they already have your card info? Maybe if the attacker only has card number and not CCV there&#039;s something there?

And if the attacker stole the physical card in step 1. above, you&#039;ve got nothing to shred...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but that is orthogonal to the shredding of your card. The attacker already has the card, so shredding it doesn&#039;t magically take it away from them.</p>
<p>Does the attacker need to have a physical card in order the buy the gift cards in this scenario?</p>
<p>Can&#039;t the attacker create a physical card since they already have your card info? Maybe if the attacker only has card number and not CCV there&#039;s something there?</p>
<p>And if the attacker stole the physical card in step 1. above, you&#039;ve got nothing to shred&#8230;</p>
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